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[Mudhutwarrior]

I had a guy in chat say he was tier 5 so he asked what others were. Most responded out team mostly 5s 4s and 3s with one tier 1. The other team all 1's and 2's.

There was no delay in the drops I made and I started asking. Every match a full mixed bag.
Now its possible the population is just really low but its also possible tiers are not working in QP.

Just asking if your out there to ask when you drop. Maybe we can get an idea of whats going on.

[Revis Volek]

Mudhutwarrior, on 27 July 2016 - 01:19 PM, said:

I had a guy in chat say he was tier 5 so he asked what others were. Most responded out team mostly 5s 4s and 3s with one tier 1. The other team all 1's and 2's.

There was no delay in the drops I made and I started asking. Every match a full mixed bag.
Now its possible the population is just really low but its also possible tiers are not working in QP.

Just asking if your out there to ask when you drop. Maybe we can get an idea of whats going on.

I have been hearing and seeing this as well....

Had a few comments from a known t1 guy claiming he had a KNOWN t5 in his match. He knows because they are both forumites and both display their Tiers.

So i would say PGI has thrown the MM out the window.

[Brain Cancer]

It's the game trying to 3/3/3/3 things. If it can't find something in X weight class it keeps going further and further down to get it.

I'd rather have a game full of heavies that were all in my tier than being stuck with someone who wonders what all the shiny buttons do.

[Moldur]

Honestly, MM will forever be a **** show. MWO does not have the population for fair matchmaking, and even games with large populations do not have particularly great matchmaking necessarily.

[Bilbo]

You are better off screenshotting the names and looking them up on the forums. At least the little bit of information you get that way is guaranteed to be accurate. I'm as likely to tell you I'm tier 5 in chat as I am to tell you I'm tier 2.

Revis Volek, on 27 July 2016 - 01:21 PM, said:

I have been hearing and seeing this as well....

Had a few comments from a known t1 guy claiming he had a KNOWN t5 in his match. He knows because they are both forumites and both display their Tiers.

So i would say PGI has thrown the MM out the window.

Except in that very thread the "known" tier 5 guy posted and was a tier 4. Still shouldn't have been in the same match, but I'm sure you get my point.

[KHETTI]

MWO has hardly got the population to throw together games at all, tiers were never separated, PGI just flat out lied about it.
I talked about seeing T5 players in my games a long time ago, i wouldn't be surprised if PGI were deliberately pushing bad players up the tiers to cover their tracks.

[Davers]

Brain Cancer, on 27 July 2016 - 01:39 PM, said:

It's the game trying to 3/3/3/3 things. If it can't find something in X weight class it keeps going further and further down to get it.

I'd rather have a game full of heavies that were all in my tier than being stuck with someone who wonders what all the shiny buttons do.

They gave up on 4x3 over a year ago.

So, the population has dropped to the point that no MM is possible? Sad, but not really surprising.

[Baulven]

... only ZUUL

[Ghogiel]

It's possible the MM isn't working correctly.

but.... pics or it didn't happen.

[Revis Volek]

Bilbo, on 27 July 2016 - 01:51 PM, said:

You are better off screenshotting the names and looking them up on the forums. At least the little bit of information you get that way is guaranteed to be accurate. I'm as likely to tell you I'm tier 5 in chat as I am to tell you I'm tier 2.
Except in that very thread the "known" tier 5 guy posted and was a tier 4. Still shouldn't have been in the same match, but I'm sure you get my point.

You are right, It doesnt matter. You are only EVER suppose to play 2 tiers below or above if possible.


THis should not happen according to PGI, ever. They specifically said "T1 will never face T4 or T5".


Once I find it i will quote it...

Edited by Revis Volek, 27 July 2016 - 02:00 PM.

[Bilbo]

Revis Volek, on 27 July 2016 - 01:55 PM, said:

It doesnt matter, you are only EVER suppose to play 2 tiers below or above if possible.


THis should not happen according to PGI, ever. They specifically said "T1 will never face T4 or T5".


Once I find it i will quote it...

Like I said, they shouldn't have been in the same match. It was never claimed that it was +/- 2 tiers. They only said tier 1 would never face 4 and 5, as far as I can recall.

Edited by Bilbo, 27 July 2016 - 01:58 PM.

[DaZur]

I believe no proclamation of tier in chat unless I can verify with form...

[Mudhutwarrior]

Hey i am not trying to start a pi**ing contest. I just was asking for your help and ideas how we can flush this out.

[C E Dwyer]

T5's get into T3 games they don't drop with T1's and T2's

MM working as intended

[Zibmo]

Cathy, on 27 July 2016 - 02:14 PM, said:

T5's get into T3 games they don't drop with T1's and T2's

MM working as intended

I'm a cynic, but you just blew right through me...

[Bilbo]

Mudhutwarrior, on 27 July 2016 - 02:12 PM, said:

Hey i am not trying to start a pi**ing contest. I just was asking for your help and ideas how we can flush this out.

There is no way to flush it out without a screenshot of a solo match with two people in it that shows it's not working as PGI stated it is supposed to. Asking people what tier they are in chat is simply not reliable.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Okay, I used to think there was some really smart people here and we could find a solution to any problem.


I was wrong.

[Dracol]

Mudhutwarrior, on 27 July 2016 - 02:26 PM, said:

Okay, I used to think there was some really smart people here and we could find a solution to any problem.


I was wrong.

Surprised no one asked this yet... are you talking solo queue or group queue?

Group queue has no tier matching on an individual basis. Its matched by the average of the group. This would allow a tier 1 player to face a tier 5.

As far as I can remeber, solo queue will never relax the valves to allow a tier 5 to face a tier 1.

As for player population, Russ tweeted recently that player umbers are consitent and a little higher than last years.

[Antares102]

The level of potato matches is unbearable in solo queue.

Had the same suspicion, but never dared to ask my fellow players.

Examples:

• Some people had trouble steering their lights around simple obstacles from my team.
  
• Enemy players just stood 100m away, did a shot or two till they died without moving.
  
• Others from my team unloaded their LRMs into a huge obstacle in front of them for 2 minutes without noticing (15 damage in the end).

Very suspicious...and just unplayable really...

Edit:
Wanna buy a mech pack?

Edited by Antares102, 27 July 2016 - 02:41 PM.

[Hotthedd]

Ya know, If FP was made to be worth a damn, and they added a Solaris mode with rankings, PGI could get rid of the QP placeholder and never have to worry about Tiers, Elo, or Match making ever again.

...just sayin'